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• Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-01 14:06:20 By russ r
• PVD's (Posterior vitreous detachments) are often associated with other retinal problems. Severity of this condition can vary from simple floaters, to massive globs and heat wave effects of the vitreous as it changes from gel to liquid as we age. When connected with other problems such as macular degeneration,the daily life can be a nightmare. I speak from much experience. doctors will not touch this condition, saying 'risk is too high' to do vitrectomy, the surgical removal and replacement of the vitreous with a fluid or a gas bubble. Surely the risk is for both the doctor and his patient, not just the patient. Vitreolysis, use of lazers to break up some types of vitreous debris, is not very effective-maybe 30% of the patients have improvement.
  While this is not a direct subject in the FFB list of topics, I wonder why not. A poll, please of those who consider this to be significant to them, and those who have found ways to combat this severe affect on the visual. Thanks in advance for your commentary. Russ R.

• Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-01 22:49:01 By Mary S
• Hello Russ,
  Good topic to bring up.
  Vitorus detachement can happen for many reasons, and the more informed folks are, the better.
  Knowledge is the key.
  Thanks for posting this.
  mar

• Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-02 11:31:29 By russ r
• Mary S
  
  Good to see your posts again. Hopefully we will see more responses from the fFB community on this subject. It can be devastating as any other disease of the eye, gradually interrupting the view in one eye then the other. Research monies should be placed on this aspect of eye disease, since so many people without any other visual malady will still suffer. From a scientific and particularly chemical solution standpoint, it would seem possible to reverse the gel to liquid changes that take place as we age. Perhaps from an injection, or from some mechanical or electrrical procedure. I'm a scientist, and would love to participate in such a research effort, as a clinical patient and as a contributor. One key is to be sure the types of 'floaters' are recognized. It's not just some flecks floating in front of the macula, it can take so many different forms, with the gel to liquid transition being the most upsetting to the person.
  
  Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-02 21:43:22 By Mary S
• Russ,
  very interesting.
  I had no idea that the floater in ones eye could be different in form and composition.
  
  I too hope that more will be added about this topic.
  It is New to me, and I am enjoying learning what you have already posted.
  
  I would like to know the reasons behind " why" this process happens.
  thanks for posting this information.
  
  I am nto quite back at my full capacity yet. But I will be around much more than I have been.
  
  thanks again for this information.
  mar

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-03 07:19:42 By russ r
• Mary S
  Floaters come about primarily with age, altho injuries to the eye and other prevailing eye problems can trigger their eruption. The vitreous changes from gel like consistency to liquid, but it can take a long time to complete the transition. Nearsighted people seem to have more problems with floaters than the farsighted. I have 'made it' to the point where I have translucent shadows in one eye, a likely phase in the transition. Very much like a lava lamp, moving before the macula. My retina doctor said he never heard such reference (lava lamp) and will now use it for discussions with patients. A dubious honor for me, to be sure! This condition makes it difficult to concentrate on images before me. I wear sunglasses inside and outside to mute some of this condition. If it gets much worse, altho I have 20/30 acuity in that eye, I may be saddled with an eye patch to escape the visual irritation. Yep, an eye that is 20/30 but may not be usable for every day situations. Many eye doctors have told me to 'cope', but that is very difficult for me; I suspect the shadow effect would be difficult for anybody.
  To get a perspective of some of the shapes and phases of floaters/aka/PVD;s, check out the website of Dr. Scott Geller, MD, who specializes in vitreolysis, the laser treatment of some types of floaters. He has pictures showing the various types, altho my type is not well presented in those photos. there are only two practitioners of vitreolysis that I have found who aggressively advertise this type of laser treatment, Dr. Geller, and Dr. Karikhoff (sp?). Karikhoff has many restrictions to using his treatment on patients, including other prevailing eye conditions. Dr. Brooks McCuen, MD, of Duke University, is a researcher in vitreolysis uses, and I intend to contact him about this subject, too. I'll share what I find with you and the FFB forum. Best regards, Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-03 19:34:41 By Jacinthe B
• Hello...I have vitrious detachments. It happened 9 months ago..I think it could be the result to have got nine avastin's injections... Not sure..But my rs said it happens to many people after 55 years old.He told me not to worry with that...I cannot say it is very disturbing for me..Some days I see them more..especially when I read..other days..I forgot them but I could live better without..:)...I have 20/20 on this eye..I hope to keep it this way for long now it is dry..and very glad to see Mary back...
  Au revoir...
  
  Jacinthe

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-03 20:55:32 By russ r
• Jacinthe
  For some people,floaters just are a minor problem that the brain eventually excuses. I tend to agree that the injections may have something to do with the floaters. I had a lazer procedure (called SLT to reduce eye pressures) in May, 06, and since then, my eye has not been the same. Good news is that for the majority of floater sufferes, they remain a minor issue and can over time just settle to the bottom of the eye. Meanwhile the brain has amazing power to digest such things and reduce their influence on us. Hope to hear from you again on your progress! Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-09 15:04:28 By Barbara L
• Hi Jacinthe; this is barb the bubble woman; hope you will do well. I hope everything goes well for you; nice to meet you and i am having trouble with my eye the wonderful AIR BUBBLES!!!! this came in from the surgery needle so this is fun. I feel as if i am in sponge bob's house. Well; hope everything goes well for you welcome to the forum. Barb

• Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-16 15:15:18 By Shirley B
• Just wanted to wish all of you out there a very Merry Christmas and a Happy 2008!!!

• Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-16 17:20:25 By Mary S
• Hello one and all
  Merry Christmas, Happy New year
  
  Happy Holidays to one and all.
  
  Jacynthe, glad to hear that your still dry.
  Shirley hope all is well with you.
  Russ Glad that your informing us all about these floaters, Thanks so much.
  
  Yes that old Brain eye connection can be one wild ride at times,
  
  Jacythe, I had my RS appt, I am holding my own in both eyes,both dry.
  
  Merry Christmas Eveyone.
  May all your dreams and hopes come to pass this year and in the Near future.
  mary

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-18 21:33:35 By russ r
• Mary S, Jacinthe, Shirley, and all others i've contacted thru this wonderful vehicle-may your holidays, and future, be filled with joy, and your health be an ever improving element in your life.
  russ r.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2007-12-18 22:57:26 By russ r
• All re: vitreous detachments and floaters.
  Found a web sight, ezboard, which has forums that include this subject. lots of good info, experiences,medications, treatments that may or may not work, and facts and folly about PVD's and floaters. Look it up and register if interested. I'll try to keep the FFB group informed of what I learn from this site. RussR.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-21 12:41:10 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ: I still have an air bubble that is annoying from avastin for vitreous hemorrhaging. I wanted to know how long can these take to finish up; this has been 4 and 1/2 months for me; it is getting smaller and swimming around. Thanks Russ or Mary. Barb

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-21 12:57:31 By russ r
• Barbara
  I have read a little bit about vitreous, but am no MD. It appears that the bubble you have may just dwindle and then disappear. The vitreous is said to be 99% water, and that water is processed thru the liver to the eyes. So it appears to be a long exchange period, since the vitreous exchange is pretty small. Seems like you are getting there, but as with all of us suffering from this very torturous condition of floaters of any kind, we just want them to blow away. If for some reason that tiny bubble you still see remains after a few more months, it might be worthwhile to discuss with your eye MD. Most if not all will avoid any intrusion into the eye for vitrectomy, because of the consequences. I've had 10 doctors tell me they will not touch my vitreous debris/floaters condition.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-21 13:00:57 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ; sorry you have to go through this; i just got your message! Thanks so much; this has been a nightmare; it swims around breaks up into smaller bubbles; and there is a bubble that goes into a pool of bubbles; i thought it was temp related like if i would go into a room and it would take off but i found it is not; my rs said this summer it should be gone; they gave me a large dose to get rid of the bleeding. I just wish i could pop the bubble but then i would hurt my retina! I am sorry you and everyone else have to go through the awful ordeal of floaters! Is there a treatment for air bubbles? If you find out let me know; I thought of contacting genetech to see if there is anything. Thanks for your support; this has been a nightmare! Everyone is pulling for me too.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-21 15:39:20 By russ r
• Barbara
  
  I gather you have a wet ARMD condition?
  
  One possible way to reduce the bubbles might be vitreolysis. Thats the use of a lazer to get rid of solid matter and some gel like matter in the eye. Concern tho for you and your retinal condition; you'd need a real expert in vitreolysis to tell you if it's feasible. One who I found to be straightforward about candidacy for vitreolysis is Dr. Karickhoff. He's done the process for years. He told me he would not treat me for the floater condition because of my optic nerve sensitivity to pressures. Another is Dr. Scott Geller, but I gather he is not as successful with vitreolysis as is Dr. Karickhoff. Geller is in South Florida, and Karickhoff is on the east coast. Talk to Karickhoff and he'll tell you if bubbles can be dissolved by lazer. Best wishes to you. Now if you knew someone who could treat my vitreous veils that hang in front of my macula, along with all the gel like bodies moving 24/7, plus the wild movements I can see in the one eye when it is closed, boy, I'd really be happy! Russ r.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-23 18:10:32 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ: Thanks for the advice; I won't do lazer as my rs said they should be all gone this summer; the bubble finally crushed completely easter morning! This has been a nightmare; but I am seeing a lot better now! I felt like my eye would explode into bubbles; but am seeing a lot better. They said that it should be completed this summer and I am getting used to them. I don't want to do more than needed and go by my rs; thanks so much; this is great to have support; this is kind of a scary experience! I hope you can get your floaters treated that would be cool! Keep in touch anytime; just got your message today. Barb.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-23 18:25:58 By Barbara L
• Russ; when the bubble is completely crushed does that mean it is gone? What happens next; i am seeing a shower of bubbles; will they clear up and how long does that take? I wanted to know if it is completely gone once crushed; it crushed on Easter morning;! When will i know it is gone? Thanks; Russ

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-23 19:39:42 By russ r
• Barbara L
  
  Great news that the bubble disappeared! I'm very happy for you. And your vision becoming clearer is even better news.
  I'm not able to get any treatment for my condition. It's been worsening by the day. Can't get the two eyes to work together, so I'm wearing a patch on the bad eye for now. Don't know if I'll be able to go back to ordinary glasses for both eyes any more based on the last few weeks regression in the left eye. Even my wearing sun glasses inside and outside no longer mutes the distortions and foggy vision. Not sure if I have any options now.
  I'm sure you had a very happy Easter! Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-23 20:49:59 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ; Thanks so much; I am happy; i wanted to know will i be seeing alot of bubbles for a while now that it is crushed? Thanks; The bubble circle is getting darker meaning it is clearing all the time; i think it will take a while for everything to evaporate. Does that sound right? But when it is crushed is it gone then? Thanks; Russ. I got your message; success to you! too!

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 11:40:16 By russ r
• Barbara L
  
  Do sunglasses help to mute the bubbles so they are less apparent? Good for your macula, too, to protect against the sun's rays. As we get older, the sun becomes much less out friend, particularly in the retina. Have fun with your improved vision my friend. Russ r

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 12:31:34 By Mary S
• Hello Russ
  have not stopped by in here for awhile now.
  I was just surfing and saw you and Barbara talking about floaters and bubbles.
  could not help but sing tiny bubbles in my eye, after seeing Barbs post, but that is part of my warped humours side.
  
  I have a floater in my better eye, never treated eye, it has been there for more than a year. pain in the visual field sometimes, use to swat at it when it first started, as I thought there was a nat or small bug flying around my eye.
  Now I just sort of watch it bounce on by, float on by whatever term you want to give it.
  
  I have a friend in an e-mail suppoprt md group who was/is taking an antifungal drug. she says after all the iinjections of avastin Intra venous, then intravitreal, and also lucentis intravitreal, this is the only thing tht has kept those weeds ( abnormal vessels and so on ) from leaking. she has a tough case of myopic md.
  she has written to a few RS docs, and researchers trying to get them to follow her since she has been on auto pilot with this, and keeping her own records.
  but no one will thus far.
  the best responce she got was from one researcher who is looking at useing this anti fungal med for cancer patients.
  
  ...still have not seen much out there on the old eye drops that we talked about , seems like years ago now.
  
  It all just seems to be moving so dern slow. that is the hard part. Will we have better treatments or a cure in our life time? that is the question.
  
  I notice some improvement with my vision when I am on my medrol dose packs for another condition I have. I take two of those every 6 months. So is PO prednisolone a good drug for wet md? seems to help my one eye.
  
  they give it in injections into the eye or similar drugs to help keep the inflamation down. would PO work just as well. so many questions so few answers.
  oh well .
  I am still hanging in here and around, not getting any more treatments since I ended with those 4 PDTS about 2 years or so ago.
  Hope things will be working out for you.
  
  and you too Barb, congrats on the bubble finally going away.
  
  Mary

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 14:25:19 By russ r
• Mary S
  Good to see your post today. I've been continuing the FDA treatments (eye drops, pills)as served by MD's and have stopped the MCS and Warp 10 treatments. Neither of the 'off label' treatments gave me any indication of help. My left eye continues to dwindle, with lots more blurry areas, and lots more vitreous glops moving across my vision. Next steps? Been to a neuro ophthalmologist, who told me my vision is good and I should be seeing better than I'm claiming. How does he know what I see behind my windows? Local university was suggested to see their eye infirmary/research group. Might do that next week, but my enthusiasm and drive have gone south over the last 3-4 months. Hate to say give up, but eye problems surely do test the ability to hope. best wishes to you, Mary S. Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 16:13:45 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ: Thanks again for the advice; I am really getting used to the bubbles; not as upset by them; they are getting smaller and clearer; i talked to my rs today they said artificial tears to help clear up when i have the explosions; they definitely said it will be gone this summer; i guess that is how much they put in because they gave 1 mL and i guess that was enough to last a year; next time i will tell them not to put so much in so i won't have to go through a lot of bubbles; they are getting more tolerable finally! I look in my eye with my eye close and the bubble is getting darker meaning it is thinning out more; i guess that is what is happening it is thinning out first before going away completely. I hope your floaters get taken care of; i do appreciate the advice on the treatment; may consider if this continues more than the summer; may get it done or vitrectomy in the summer; if this continues; but they said definitely should be gone. I trust them. It is breaking up fast; i will be very happy when they are gone!!!! :) Won't know what to do without having the bubble to look at LOL. It just seems like they may be in my eye forever; but i have reassurance for sure. Keep in touch; will let you know when they are all gone!!!! My husband would say good riddens; he knows what I have been putting up with. I don't think i am going to need any more injections; i go back in July probably for the dye test. They caught the bleeding very early before it became wet md; very grateful! Hope things go well for you!

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 18:39:08 By Mary S
• Russ
  I know what you mean. it does get rather frustrating that there are not more promising treamtments or cures that have surfaced.
  
  and our eyes march on.....the southerly path....
  of this disease.
  
  I just keep as busy as I can and try to eat healthy as I can. it is out of my control, realy.
  so just keep marching on and trying to do things that are meaningfull in life.
  
  see my other note about the fungal med.
  heard from my friend, she is on the drug still at half dose, no liver problems and is dry in her eyes.
  I am happy for her that this is working on her eyes and keeping them dry.
  ,mar

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 22:25:45 By russ r
• Barbara L
  
  My guess is that the bubbles will naturally diminish. Your eye is a somewhat of a closed vessel, and it takes a long time for fluid to completely flush from it.
  
  As for needing a vitrectomy, if the bubbles do not go away-do you mean vitreolysis? Vitrectom is not often done by MD's because of the serious potential consequences plus, laying on your stomach for up to 3 weeks!!! Maybe the vitreolysis is what would be considered, which is a lazer that is used to break up floaters if they are not near the retina. Your retina specialist may or may not recommend vitreolysis, and expect you to 'tough it out'. I think you may need to find out more about the vitreolysis on your own, since it is unlikely that your rs does that treatment. There are two highly qualified people in the U.S. who do it-Dr. Karickhoff, on the east coast, and Dr. Geller on the south Florida gulf coast, in Naples. Karickhoff would be my choice because he's done it much longer with much more advertised success. Best wishes and I'll pray those bubbles leave your view. Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 16:16:45 By Barbara L
• Hi Shirley: This is barbara wanted to say hi to you and Mary too; Happy New year; hope you all are doing well; :)

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 16:30:42 By Shirley B
• Barb, Mary and everyone else--When I went for my annual check-up in January my Opt. told me that I do NOT have DMD! I have the precurser for it-Drusen? But not MD! Now isn't that strange? How can it go away! She must have made a mistake when she told me I had it a year ago--either that or the Lutein, Beta Carotene and Copper-made it go away! Strange or what??
  Shirley/Terri

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 18:35:49 By Mary S
• Shirley,
  yes that is strange. As I thought that if one had a certain number and size of drusen it was like stage one MD
  maybe you want to check with another RS and get a second opinion to just make absolutely sure.
  However if it is the case, than GREAT NEWs!!!
  mar

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 22:30:12 By Barbara L
• Hi Mary: This is barb also saying hi to you and nice to meet you and Shirley; hope you are doing well; sorry that you are having a tough time with the eye; I still have this nasty air bubble but it is changing all the time I want it gone; any ideas; russ told me about vitreolysis too. I was told by rs today to use artificial tears; i guess he is thinking on the opposite affect of drying up the bubbles; they are many: I don't mind them some times and some times I get so frustrated; any ideas; thanks Mary! Hope everything goes well for you! Barb.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 22:32:02 By Barbara L
• Shirley; hope everything goes well for you! My air bubble crushes and gets smaller but I hope I don't have to get anything done to get rid of it. Hope you have a great day! :) Barb

• Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-03-24 22:36:46 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ; it is me barb again; did find out from rs to use artificial tears to go that route; they did say definitely it will be gone this summer. I can't wait til it is gone; you will know it! My bubble is gone! This has been a nightmare; I am kind of interested in the vitrolysis but not worried if they are really sure abot this summer. How can they tell by how much they gave me or by what details I tell them? I think when you are patient you give more details; it is scary! :)

• Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-08 15:30:33 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ! This is Barb; well; i went to another eye specialist; they checked my eyes and saw the air bubble; he said it was tiny now and swimming around; it seems like noone wants to help me here; i am getting frustrated; i may consider a vitreolysis; i may be alot happier to go through this. Barb. Hope you are doing well!

• Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-08 16:13:08 By russ r
• Barb L
  
  Glad you got your condition confirmed by another doctor. One of the keys for vitreolysis, from what I've read, is the location of the floater or the bubble. If it is too close to the retina, the eye MD won't do it. the laser can damage the retina during the vitreolysis if too close to the retina. Dr. Karickhoff is the leading expert in vitreolysis, from what I've read and there are a few others, namely Dr. Scott Geller in S. Florida who have large practices in vitreolysis. In the next five years, I think vitreolysis or some other alternative treatments will become more routine to the floater sufferers amongst us. My conversations with each Geller and Karickhoff lead me more towards Dr. Karickhoff, who sounds like a straight shooter. He'll tell you if he can do it rather than waste a lot of travel and expenses. Google Karickhoff, and call his office. He will talk to you about your condition. Best wishes, Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-09 08:38:20 By Barbara L
• Thanks Russ: Got your message; well after going to the other doctor; my rs did offer a vitrectomy to remove the bubble; i am very happy about this. He said he can remove it and is willing to! I guess that got him concerned me going to another doctor apparently they are good friends; i called my rs after hours because it was really bothering me at the time; it does settle down but why live like this? He said he is willing to see me this week look at it and offer me a vitrectomy. I asked about vitreolysis; he said that would not really help but a vitrectomy would. I am very happy will be getting my life back again; this has been annoying; it looks like it is going to clear away but it makes me dizzy seeing it and sick some times. I am learning to deal with this but if it can be removed how wonderful! Medicine is wonderful today. Can you imagine in 1800s; we would just go blind. Thanks Russ; for being supportive; I love this forum! I will let you know when i get this done and maybe it will go away befoe surgery; the stupid bubble! LOL

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-09 10:34:42 By russ r
• Barb L
  Usually MD's don't recommend vitrectomy. I imagine your eye doctor has told you all the positives and some of the concerns about vitrectomy. I understand that there can be greater incidence of cataracts, retinal tears, and other types of floaters evolve. I too have considered vitrectomy, but thus far no eye MD I've seen is willinig to do it for me. I wish you all the best, Barb. Please keep me informed on how things are progressing. Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-09 14:05:57 By Barbara L
• Hi Russ; Thanks; I feel i need to get something done because in the long run; i will not have this swimming around all my life. It has not gone away now for 5 months. The surgeon may suggest to wait too; he may see the bubbles are not as much anymore; i don't see as many anymore is that a good sign? I am starting to see through the bubble better too. I cannot believe this; and the explosion was not much at all today. Even the image that i see closing my eye is settling more too; do they stop and then start popping and going away? Barb.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-09 14:23:48 By russ r
• Barb L
  Because of this recent change in the bubbles, I would also think it wise to wait them out for a little while longer. Yes, floaters, vitreous changes, and other debris in the back of the eye drives us crazy (I've been having severe floaters in the left eye for more than two years now; looking at lights whle in a dark room make me absolutely crazy due to the massive reflections) I really sympathize with you and all others who suffer from what most doctors consider insignificant. It is a horrid daily experience and there should be more ways to help us. Have you tried some massage in the Chinese acupuncture points around the eyes to relieve some of the bubbles and their location in front of you? Has worked for me as a temporary fix. Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-09 14:23:53 By russ r
• Barb L
  Because of this recent change in the bubbles, I would also think it wise to wait them out for a little while longer. Yes, floaters, vitreous changes, and other debris in the back of the eye drives us crazy (I've been having severe floaters in the left eye for more than two years now; looking at lights whle in a dark room make me absolutely crazy due to the massive reflections) I really sympathize with you and all others who suffer from what most doctors consider insignificant. It is a horrid daily experience and there should be more ways to help us. Have you tried some massage in the Chinese acupuncture points around the eyes to relieve some of the bubbles and their location in front of you? Has worked for me as a temporary fix. Russ R.

• Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitreous detachments
• Posted: 2008-04-09 14:23:54 By russ r
• Barb L
  Because of this recent change in the bubbles, I would also think it wise to wait them out for a little while longer. Yes, floaters, vitreous changes, and other debris in the back of the eye drives us crazy (I've been having severe floaters in the left eye for more than two years now; looking at lights whle in a dark room make me absolutely crazy due to the massive reflections) I really sympathize with you and all others who suffer from what most doctors consider insignificant. It is a horrid daily experience and there should be more ways to help us. Have you tried some massage in the Chinese acupuncture points around the eyes to relieve some of the bubbles and their location in front of you? Has worked for me as a temporary fix. Russ R.

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• Posted: 2008-04-09 14:57:12 By Barbara L
• HI Russ; well today they are like clear water; today the explosion has not been so bad and i am able to work; i just see them jump out in front of me off and on. Thanks for the advice; I will really consider this when i talk to the rs tomorrow. Barb.